John Pamment

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1. Hi Sue
   We have spoken before and after some time I and my husband Brian are back to looking at the Pamment family tree and mainly trying to file what we have got.My father was Walter George Pamment b 1903. His father being George Pamment born1842. His father being John Pamment. In so doing we have found a discrepancy between your John Pamment married to Elizabeth Campin and the John Pamment we have as father of George Pamment. This is becasue according to where we find him in the 1851 census. He give his age as 46 making his birth year 1905. Can you tell us what evidence you have to get from your John Pamment to Samuel Pamment and Sarah Ainsworthy. We cannot seem to find this connection.

   I also noticed with interest the picture of the gravestone of James Woodess, Louisa Pamment and Sarah Ann Pamment. Sarah Anne pamment was my grandmother married to George Walter born 1875. Louisa Pamment was the wife of George Pamment b 1842. You have that Louisa Pamments details down on her daughter Louisa’s part of the tree. Louisa the daughter was married to James Woodess.

   Lilian Alice Cook must have been realted to Sarah Ann Pamment as she was nee Cook.

   Hope you understood all that?

   I started all this becasue of the following;
   and I wanted to link it all together as the Eliza mentioned here is quite clearly the sister of John Pamment married to Elizabeth Campin.

   I am however still not convinced that family is our John Pamment. Help!!

   Pamment

   This unusual and interesting name is of Norman origin, and is a variant form of the occupational surname Parmenter, which in the modern idiom is also found recorded as Parminter, Pammenter and Parmeter, and the more unusual forms Pamment and Pemment. The name is descriptive of a maker of facings and trimmings, a tailor with specialist skills. The derivation is from the Old French word “par(e)mentier”, from “parement”, meaning fitting, finishing, ultimately derived from the Latin “paramentum”, itself a derivation of “parare”, meaning to prepare, adorn. Job-descriptive surnames originally denoted the actual occupation of the namebearer, and later became hereditary. The surname may have been introduced into England by followers of William the Conqueror after the Norman Invasion of 1066. Recordings from English Church Registers include: the marriage of Richard Pemment and Elizabeth Gardiner on July 12th 1733, at St. Bride’s, Fleet St., London; the christening of Eliza, daughter of Samuel and Sarah Pamment, on February 13th 1816, at Greenwich, Kent; and the christening of Alfred, son of Henry and Jane Pamment, on January 12th 1834, at St. Pancras, Old Church, London. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Elizabeth Pamment, which was dated June 8th 1612, marriage to Richard Walter, at Marden, Kent, during the reign of King James 1 of England and V1 of Scotland, 1603 – 1625. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to “develop” often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

   Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Pamment#ixzz1SjakTerV

   with very best wishes and thanks
   Shirley Lawes

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2. Hi Shirley,

   Thank you for getting in touch again and for raising some good questions about connections. I’m always nervous in case I assign the wrong person to my tree. Let me give you my sources and reasoning and see if you agree with me.

   Samuel Pamment and Sarah Ainsworth had eight children: William (born 1807, died 1809), John (born 1809), Maria (born 1811), William (born 1813), Eliza (born 1815), Sarah (born 1817, died 1818), Jane (born 1818) and Samuel (born 1821).

   Here is a link to the Essex records which show John’s baptism at St. Martin of Tours, Chipping Ongar, Essex: http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/Images.Net/?ID=936107&intThisRecordsOffSet=&intOffSet=

   John (born 1809) married Elizabeth Campin 1832. His brother William was one of the witnesses. They had six children: John Henry Wrinch (born 1833, died 1838), William (born 1837), Samuel (born 1838, died 1851), John (born 1839, died 1864) and George (born 1841). I have George’s birth certificate, if you would like a copy let me know.

   Elizabeth Campin died in 1871. Her husband, John, married Elizabeth Beesley in 1873. Three months later he committed suicide. I have a copy of the inquest, if you’re interested.

   George (born 1841) married Louisa Baxter in 1864. They had four children: Louisa (born 1865), Helen (born 1866), Harriet (born 1870) and George (born 1875).

   George (born 1875) married Sarah Ann Cook in 1900. They had four children: George Walter (born 1901), Walter George (born 1903) your father, Maud (born 1907) and Albert (born 1908).

   I hope that lays out the trail well for you. I’ll have to go and look at Louisa Pamment’s details and correct wrong information. Thank you.

   Your extract about the origin of the name and the mention of Eliza, daughter of Samuel and Sarah, is very interesting.

   Let me know if you’d like me to send you copies of any certificates that I’ve got and I’ll email them to you separately.

   kindest regards,
   Sue

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